I just snapped so I picked up the phone
我当时就崩溃了，所以我拿起电话
and I fed Ella and I screamed at her get
，喂了艾拉，我对她大喊大叫，把
my daughter's name off the internet now
我女儿的名字从网上删掉，
why you did this that's what I said you
你为什么这样做，这就是我说的，你很
know exactly what I'm talking about and
清楚我在说什么，
she said it's not me it's Sabine a
她说这不是我的错，是 萨宾是一名
trained computer scientist Sabine had
受过训练的计算机科学家，萨宾
become obsessed with the idea that
一直痴迷于
social services were stealing children
社会服务机构偷走儿童的想法，
and I am speaking on behalf of 1,000
我代表英国每月被带走的1000名儿童发言，
children taken a month in the
UK what they were saying was that I was
他们说我
coming into school on a Wednesday and
在星期三去学校，
abusing my daughter and other children I
虐待我的 女儿和其他孩子我
do remember just really thinking oh my
确实记得当时我真的在想，哦，
God oh my God we've been accused of
天哪，天哪，我们被指控为
being
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pedophiles
恋童癖，
why is it you felt so compelled tacked
为什么你觉得有必要
on behalf of their children it must have
为他们的孩子做这件事，这
been a difficult experience to Emily
对艾米丽来说一定是一次艰难的经历
when you when you when somebody cries
当有人
for help and it's nearly sinking then
呼救，船快沉了，
you give them you try to get them out
你伸出援手，试图把他们救
out of wherever they are in don't
出来，不管他们在哪里，你不觉得吗？
you four of the 175 named
175名被点名的施虐者中有4人
abusers acted as the victims of being
是受害者吗？
harassed by my campaign even though I
受到我的竞选活动的骚扰，尽管我
never never ever contacted anybody
从来没有亲自联系过任何人，
personally if and I don't know who did
我不知道是谁
did I I just published what I
联系了他们，我只是发表了我
published and I never even you take any
发表的内容，我从来没有对
responsibility for them having been
他们受到骚扰承担任何责任，
harassed
for the four
这四位
mothers not exactly without their
母亲并非完全没有他们的
innocence being established wouldn't
that be nice if somebody had first of
如果有人
all checked whether they the the
首先检查了
accusations of the
孩子们的指控，那不是很好吗？
children can you describe what Satanic
你能为
ritual abuse is for someone that doesn't
那些不理解这个术语的人描述一下撒旦仪式虐待是什么吗？
understand that
term I can only go or I can by what the
我只能说，或者我可以通过什么
children describe
孩子们将
both together and independently of each
两者结合起来，并相互独立地进行描述，
other and that to me was great
这对我来说是一个很好的
validation I mean just crimes against
验证，我的意思是，只是针对
children abuse sexual abuse and the big
儿童虐待的犯罪，性虐待，而
thing
about the hamster children is that for
仓鼠儿童的最大特点是，这是
the first
第
time there were children who reported
一次有孩子报告，
until until then it had only been adult
直到那时 只有成年
survivors so the four mothers at the
幸存者，所以中心里的四位母亲
center who brought the the charges
against
向
you they were named as abusers and their
你提出指控，她们被称为施虐者，
children were named and their children
她们的孩子
were named as having liked sex and been
被称为喜欢性行为，参与
part of sex acts as being part of the
过性行为，是邪教的一部分
cult on a list that you published and
你公布的名单，
they were contacted themselves by
pedopiles who wanted to meet them they
恋童癖者联系了他们，希望与他们见面 他们
would sent photos of guns people would
会发枪支的照片，人们会
knock on their door to try and find them
敲他们的门试图找到它们，
sorry I can't I can't cope with that I
对不起，我不能，我无法应对，我
can't I can't tell me why can't you cope
不能，我不能告诉我为什么你不能
with that cuz they had to live with that
应对，因为他们有 承受这样的
the consequences of
后果，
that their children's lives were changed
他们孩子的生活被永远改变了，
Forever by the publishing of their
因为他们的
details and their materials I think
详细信息和材料的公布，我认为
their lives were changed forever through
他们的生活已经因为他们之前的虐待而永远改变了，
their abuse
beforehand but they aren't child abusers
但她们不是虐待儿童者，
these moms they're they are oh yes uh
这些妈妈是，是的 呃，
what makes you think that I've spent
是什么让你认为我花了
some time I've spent a lot of time with
很多时间和
them getting to know them and learning
他们在一起，了解他们，了解
their stories year I see what how do you
他们的故事，我明白了，你怎么
know that they're child abuses how have
知道他们是虐待儿童的，
you how have you established
你怎么知道的 确定
that no I have not I have not but you
没有，我没有，但是你
just said to me they are child Abus but
刚才对我说他们是儿童虐待，但
they were named that was all not but not
他们被命名了，那都是不是，但不是
by
由
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me so what impact does this had on your
我那么这对你的生活有什么影响，在
life this case you wake up and you
这种情况下，你醒来，你
realize you're not yourself
意识到自己不再是我自己了，
anymore in terms of my mental health I
就我的心理健康而言，我
think there's some deep harm there it's
认为这里存在着一些很深的伤害，我
taken some years to get a bit of Peace
花了几年时间才得到
back into my life it's affected my
我的生活又恢复了平静，它影响了我
belief um in goodness in the world and
对世界上善良的信念，
then I think now I'm a bit of a recluse
然后我觉得现在我有点孤僻，
to be
说
honest who I was the day before this
实话，这件事发生前一天我是谁，
happened to I was the day that this
这件事发生那天我是谁
happened are two completely different
两个完全不同的
people I've never gone back to who I was
人 我再也没有回到
before
从前
this